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down last month, but will it prevent the country from falling off the fiscal cliff? new reports say president obama and john boehner are going mono mono with negotiations. ayman jabbers will join us with a live report. a tea party king maker and now jim demint says he can advances conservative causes effectively outside the senate while he makes a bunch of money at a think tank. brand old party problems with michael steele. and, frack baby frack? maybe. we'll get into the great energy debate with chris hayes when he joins me, joy reid, joan walsh and ben smith, all of that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask one of our insurance experts about it today. hello?! we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, and we do everything we can to be there for the
efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. they emphasize the lines of communication remain open. >> gregg: new fallout for the australian radio station behind that royal prank a call. they tricked a nurse into thinking they were the queen and king of england. now the radio station is ordering a review of the station's policies. a lot more in the next hour. >>> venezuelan president hugo chavez announced that his cancer has returned. he is traveling back to cuba and he is announcing that vice president should take his place as successor. arthel nevil is following this. >> reporter: those treatments include what president chavez called a new surgical intervention, speaking to a national audience from the national palace he gave details about tests that indicated some malignant cells returned to the same areas where previous tumors had been removed. in his first reference to any possibility that if his health were to further deteriorate, he says his successor, the vice president would take over for him until his new presidential term begins in january. if chavez cannot attend his inauguration the
rock in new york city. >>> the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. president obama and speaker boehner. thank you. nobody else will be in the room. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his mess dwrooj the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his social media campaign. while sitting around the kitchen table, he told the family he felt optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle class taxes do not go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done
to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan, he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks, sanchez, he's got tim tebow, he's got another guy. he can't decide who their quarterback is going to be. that's the same problem republicans are having. romney's gone, but he's still in the background. we have mcconnell and we have boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? who is the quarterback? >> there's some confusion about who the quarterback is on the republican side. that is, of course, quite common when you don't have the white house, but there's no doubt about who the quarterback is on the democratic side. the quarterback on the democratic side is the president of the united states. and unfortunately, he keeps throwing interceptions, and we're moving backward and backward and backward towards the goal line. >> i have a headache. >> should they not b
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.com/pricerewind. >>> welcome back. we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. eamon? >> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting that at least partial offers have been exchanged between the two sides over the past two days. so, clearly, what we know here is that paper is changing hands and the deal making is actually happening right now. what we don't know is what the content of that deal is. and speaker's office telling me right now that they're not going to be able to provide any detail on what was in that counter offer, so, behind the scenes, the mystery continues here. >> so, again, we're not necessarily zeroing in on exactly where that revenue comes fr
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! >>> the associated press is now reporting that the white house offered a new fiscal cliff proposal to the house gop since their meeting sunday. just this afternoon speaker's office countered. speaker boehner has refused to comment, but the speaker himself, well, he had an early christmas greeting for the white house today from the floor. >> we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. now, that's not fixing our problem. frankly, it's making it worse. >> congressman joe courtney is a democrat from connecticut and he joins us in the studio. welcome, sir. great to have you. do you have any idea what the fresh deal may be? >> no. i mean, the transparency in this process has been zero. and to some degree i think people understand that private conversation is good, but this is moving at an incredible snail's pace given the fact that at some point the public does need to know what's going on and certainly the caucuses who vote on this. >> speaker boehner's caucus needs to know. >> absolutely. >> i mean, do you think, for example, th
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to negotiate to stop us from going over the fiscal cliff. vice president biden picks up the road show today. he is having lunch with some people but where and exactly with whom has yet to be made public. it has gotten more than a hundred thousand stories from people talking about how the tax incries would affect their families. there is a second round of advertisements today pushing lawmakers to not just make a deal, but to make a deal that protects social benefit programs. >> if the politicians in washington negotiate a bad deal on the bucket and deficit, what do you think will happen to medicare and medicaid benefits. >> it stars two senator and two republican reps. cnn reports the labor unions are spending more than a half of million dollars on this round of spots. we're back with more steph after the break. stay with us. ♪ going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are w
tomorrow. some experts think the overhang of the fiscal cliff will likely dampen investor enthusiasm. erika miller, nbr, new york. >> tom: the latest economic statistics the federal reserve can consider is the october trade balance, with american importing a record amount of stuff from china. that increased our trade deficit to $42.2 billion. u.s. exports fell 3.6%, the biggest drop in almost four years. imports also fell, down 2.1% to the lowe in month n ll street,he dow gained 78, the nasdaq rose 44, the s& up nine. >> susie: our next guest says the fed's stimulus policies have been good for the u.s. economy and the markets. he's mike holland, chairman of his money management firm, holland and company. >> susie: mike, you heard erica's report. which do you think is more important for investors, fed policy action tor the fiscal cliff talks? >> right now, susie, the fiscal cliff talks are clearly the item dejure for the stock market. i think most people expect exactly what eric miller was talking about from the fed. and bern bueno ben bernanke hasn transparent and telling people well in ad
the fiscal cliff. the leaders i talked to today know their actions will take us over the cliff. i understand there is now perception among the media that the man who got every republican to pledge no new taxes is spent. the no tax increase republicans regard the stance as a birthright. a guy that is so anti-spend that he seemed to care more on these issues and more about the accountability for the disaster relief money. i can't really believe that. but a lot of guys down there will do anything to prove a point. but i can tell you there are enough garrets to force us over the cliff. given that the president is not going to let up. got a question either people don't know about the cliff or they believe that a deal will be done. and they that they have fulfilled the norquist pledge. where were the republicans when they refused to pay for the wars, cut taxes, took money from the chinese two, why didn't republicans press for spending cuts when the president extended the tax cuts? and why doesn't the president offer spending cuts to medicare and defense and social security? how about weapons progr
for anything reece's. but enough about me. progress on the food front there. and that whole fiscal cliff thing notwithstanding, let us go to a -- another disjointed politician. new york mayor michael bloomburg who now says we have to get to the bottom of global warming. that's behind storms like sandy. well, news to eric schwartz who wants the mayor and other officials to get to the bottom of helping folks in staten island, he lost his home to hurricane sandy. you hear all of this, eric, and you wonder what planet politicians are on. do they know you are paying? do they hear your pain? >> they pretty much do what they want where the money is. they think about the big fish and not the little fish. >> what he is saying is sandy is representative of climate change and we have to do something about it. that might or might not be the case. i don't think it matters here. i do think it is getting folks like you and your colleagues colleagues and your neighbors back on your feet. >> that's the first and foremost need. he could worry about plans later on, obviously. in regards to climate change, in the
story. house speaker john boehner sent the president a new fiscal cliff counteroffer, we'll have more on that in a minute. and a change in the house plan, the house will come in at 6:30 eastern with one vote on what's called the journal, the record of the previous day's proceedings. members will not vote today as they had planned earlier on a motion to negotiate with the senate on the bill to set defense programs and policy for next year. and as the fiscal cliff negotiations continue we spoke earlier today with a capitol hill reporter. >> what was the purpose of speaker boehner's appearance to speak about the fiscal cliff? >> you saw each major congressional player give some sort of speech but i think anything happening of consequence is happening between speaker bayne around the president and it's happening in a closely guarded, off-camera, way, they're actually trying to negotiate a deal and the rule of washington is when a deal is being done, people don't talk about it. when a deal is collapse, you know because they're both shouting about what the other side is doing. you saw speak
. >> -- the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards that i laid out the day after the election. his plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. our plan meets these standards. it cuts spending, paves the way for real job growth in our country. in the five weeks since we've signaled our willingness to forge an agreement with the president, he's never put forth a plan that meets these standards, and frankly, it's why we don't have an agreement today. the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> good morning. the president has said on a daily basis that we should be passing a balanced plan. but what we hear from the president is continuing only discussion on one side of the ledger. it has always been about tax rate increases and nothing about spending. and we insist to say look, mr. president, let's ta
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, here we go. it's been a busy week. fiscal cliff week for the most part, a lot of other -- that and a lot of other news to talk about today. we have the big job numbers coming up today as well for the month of november. it won't be quiet as critical as the job numbers were. remember that? that was right before the election. but still, it's very important. we'll be on top of that and all of the other issues for you and with you and hearing from you at 866-55-press. >> that's our toll-free number 866-557-7377. follow us on twitter. join us on twitter. more and more people do. at the whitehouse, so many of the reporters were saying how much they love following us on twitter. you should, too, at bp show @bp show @bpshow and facebook/billpressshow. team press here for the fifth day in a row all together. this is a new record action i think. here we are five days. nobody took a day off. peter ogburn and dan henning. >> happy friday. >> and cyprian bowlding wearing god knows what hat this morning. our videographer in chief. >> the washington fue
. voters seem to favor the president. a new poll shows that 53% trust president obama to avoid the fiscal cliff compared to just 36% for republicans. let's bring in juan williams. he -- is it to make sure the republican take the blame for whatever happens? >> no. i will say this, the reason the president has been out campaigning is to amp up the politicallpressure on republicans and let them feel the heat from the public as a prospect that they would but taxes go up on everyone wheee there is a deal that would keep taxes down for 98% of the public. dagen: what about sticking to their guns? the president said he will not cut a deal without raising taxes on the wealthier americans. maybe they go off a little bit. is that a compromise that both sides would be willing to, well, eat? >> that is exactly the compromise that everyone around washington is discussing. the number that everyone is focusing on is the 37%. you also have, as part of that package, discussions about exactly how much, dagen, they would cut in terms of entitlement. dagen: secretary geithner caught in an interview that he ga
of the deal to head off -- to stop us from going off the fiscal cliff. they said by the way we need to raise the debt limit and this new proposal of eliminating congress from the process of raising the debt limit. >> senator mcconnell has offered to have an up or down vote on this and democrats haven't taken him up on it. all of the spending reductions that simon cited in the 1990s were tied to the debt limit increase. it gives republicans leverage. president obama has the leverage in the fiscal cliff fight. he's willing to let the tax go up on the middle class. on the debt increase he doesn't have the same leverage. bob woodward pointed out that tim geithner said to president obama if the republicans stick to their guns on the debt limit bill you cannot reto it. the consequences will be so clam to us that you cannot veto it. so obama would have capitulated. megyn: that's what simon is saying now. that we shouldn't put the country in that position. >> the only way we'll get action on this debt. we keep spending and spending and raising our debt by $6 trillion every obama term. that's what ca
of the fiscal cliff negotiations. blink and you just might miss exactly nothing. while talks between speaker boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> okay then. the speaker's office responded with a deal of its own. yesterday it included precisely the same amount of revenue from the original proposal, $800 billion, which indicates there may have been concessions else where. a democratic source close to the white house tells nbc news the proposal included a permanent extension of the bush tax cuts. that is highly unlikely to fly, given the hard line the president has taken on tax rates and what he told barbara walters in an interview airing this friday on "20/20." >> taxes are going to go up one way or another and the key is to m
, if we raise taxes for the fiscal cliff or for debt ceiling, do you believe the will also raise taxes on middle class. 60% percent of americans understand that once the politicians get the bloodlust out there, once they smell the blood in the water, once they raise taxes on the few, they go after the many. melissa: oh, i absolutely believe that's right but i think that the point is the republicans are losing momentum on the side of not raising taxes. that it is starting to feel more and more like there must be some concession, there must be some caving to get through the fiscal cliff. when you look at senators who have said they're going back on the pledge, lindsey graham, bob corker, tom coburn, lamar alexander, eric cantor, what do you do at this point to keep the fight going? or do you think that it is necessary to concede a little bit of ground? >> well, two things. the senators, the republican senators to a certain extent don't matter because the democratic senate can pass a tax increase if they want the senaaors you mentioned would only vote for a tax increase if they got massiv
in that thing that rhymes with fiscal cliff. while that's going on and will keep going on for a while, your united states senate is haggling over something that might be even more important to the health of the republic, at least if in the future we want to, i don't know, solve any problems ever. i'm speaking, of course, of that great scourge the filibuster. that senate only rule that allows any senator in the majority or the minority to force legislation to pass not by the standard 51 votes, but by 60. which for most bills means certain death. rarely do 60 senators agree on anything. and over the last few years, the use and abuse of the filibuster, mainly but not exclusively by republicans, has reached record-breaking senate stopping heights. so what do you do? if you are harry reid, lead other telephone democrats in the senate, you try to reform it. and if you're mitch mcconnell, the republican leader who is using it all the time because it is your main kind of power you try to stop reform of it. now there are a couple of plans for changing the fill buster to make it less common or more d
say, mano a mano. whatever. the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. interesting. president obama and speaker boehner. nobody else. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his message to the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his my2k social media campaign, sitting around the kitchen table. he told the family he was optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle-class taxes don't go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for fam
. but the fiscal cliff, i think, is very overrated as a danger. heather: does it concern you that this seems to be the new norm when we look at the numbers and say, hey, this is better? >> it's very discouraging. we're stuck at a stable but depressing plateau. meth -- heather: ben stein, thank you s much. we will be right back. we understan at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or visit us online. we're ready to help. jon: christmas is coming and prison
if it appears likely we're going to go over the fiscal cliff and not meet the december 31nd deadline. me? i think that is a great development. finally cut some government waste and spending. oh, my goodness. meanwhile a black box data recorder revealed former new jersey governor jon corzine was doing 91 miles per hour in a 65 mile zone and he didn't have his seat belt on. and all that was contrary to what he first told us. why should all cars have the same kind of black box to settle lawsuits and find out who is lying? first up president obama heads to detroit monday. that's his first visit there in nearly months. this is mayor wing has just announced hundreds of layoffs in an effort to stave off the possible bankruptcy. but i don't think it's nearly enough. let's find out. joining me is detroit radio host doc thompson, wxyt talk radio. okay, doc, as i understand it you tell me if i'm wrong. about 11,000 detroit city workers and mayor bing is cutting 4 to 500. i'm not impressed with that. i think he should be cutting 20% of the workforce, not 5%. >> no, you're absolutely right, larry. the p
♪] >> stephanie: nancy pelosi is going to brief us on the fiscal cliff talk at 12:00 eastern. >> it's joke! >> you can't take anything boehner says seriously at all. it's so win-win for the democrats on this. and i would like to see the president go off the cliff and let the republicans try to vote it down. >> stephanie: we posted a great article -- it was the best thing i have read about the l.a. times, where he said let's hold hands and walk down together. it's not that bad. all of the nobel prize winning economists asking george bush not to enact these policies in the first place. >> exactly right. this was used because bill clinton has a surplus. bush said let's give it away to rich people. where is the money? it's gone. we can't have these cuts anymore. >> stephanie: yeah. mitch mcconnell is up for reelection in 2014 rand pall not until 2016. >> yeah because mitch mcconnell would love to see rand paul gone. and they have already said they are going to open up their box of tricks against her. >> stephanie: rand paul is one of those tea party jerks that i can't wait
the next nine years which brings us where we are right now, mr. speaker, this so-called fiscal cliff. it's not a fiscal cliff. the truth is we have a tax decision coming up and we have a spending decision coming up. truthfully, we need more spending decisions coming up. sequester is a new word that we brought up. the sequester, as you recall, mr. speaker, was the hammer that we put in place way back, one of the first big votes you and i took way back in august of 2011. that was part of an agreement that the president wanted to raise the debt ceiling. there were bills that needed to be paid. the speaker of the house, john boehner, said we're not going to expand america's credit card until we get serious about curbing spending. he said, no, mr. president, i will not raise the limit on america's credit card unless you agree to dollar-for-dollar reductions on the spending side of the ledger so that we're not just making the problem worse, we're creating a pathway to solve the problem altogether. i admire the speaker for that. and the speaker and the president agreed on this proposal. it was
before congress finds an opportunity to either avoid or move or solve some of the fiscal cliff issues and fiscal challenges we face. thank you for the remarks earlier and the work and the commission he co-lead. -- co-led. i encourage everyone to take a close read. it is filled with good analytics. i fully agree with your comment earlier about the disco -- the disconnect. we are facing our own serious challenges. they seem so overwhelming that the notion of adding in a layer of complexity, to think about the consequences outside of washington may seem overwhelming. there is some of that work that gets done. but i agree it is often inadequate and often comes too late in the game and does not weigh on policy maker's mines -- policymakers' mineds. specifics from practitioners from folks who do know what it is like in the different states. let me briefly outline. i will introduce the chief of the staff for five seconds each. give them a few minutes to share their views. the floor will be yours to talk about whatever issues that you think are most important to describe your own successes an
out of the way. it seems like quietly we're making progress on the fiscal cliff, people are saying garbage out in public. john boehner sitting down with the president, seems these two men are getting the job done. >> i think it is real. the president, no public events yesterday. even yesterday's event was never designed to be a fiscal cliff photo-op. there are very few fiscal cliff photo-ops planned this week. it is serious business. they have to come to a framework at the end of this week if they're going to get it written in time and passed in time so they all don't have to spend christmas in washington. joe, realize, whatever deal they agree to, it will be very fragile and it's likely to include more triggers for the end of next year. so they'll agree to some tax reform. if they can't write it, then say the highest tax rate will move from 37 to 39. on entitlements, they'll agree they have to find a certain amount of money and special commission but if they don't agree to it maybe the eligibility age goes automatically up. they'll be sort of sequester triggers to force the action
day of christmas. but i'm not sure we're any closer to a deal to escape going over the fiscal cliff. good to see you this morning. welcome again to the program. and we welcome your calls at 1-866-55-press. in other big news, the supreme court has decided to hear two cases on marriage equality but why even bother to hold a hearing? hey, there's no doubt about it. under the constitution, it is wrong to discriminate against anybody for any reason. so, of course, gays and lesbians have every right under the constitution to marry each other. there is no doubt about it. we'll talk more about that today and a whole lot of other issues but first, we get the latest. here she is with today's current news update, lisa ferguson standing by in our studios in los angeles. hi lisa, good morning. >> hey bill. good morning everyone. nothing on the president's public schedule today. he just has his usual briefing in the oval office followed by lunch with the vice president. the first lady will be visiting the children's national
's quarterback dilemma. what is worse. fiscal cliff. >> coach ryan has a problem. three quarterbacks. sanchez and tim tebow and a guy by the name of alcorroy. he can't decide who is the quarterback going to be. >> brian: minority leadership mitch mcconnel >> no doubt about who the quarterback is on the democratic side it is the president of the united states . unfortunatelyy he keeps throwing interceptions. and we are moving back ward. >> brian: nfl network all politics. mark san ford will start. he did the sports cast with his hands in the back pocket. since then you are the friend. what is constance up to. >> gretchen: wow, and you get to sit in the center of the couch. >> good to see you. >> gretchen: do you feel an ination. >> brian: that's my normal. >> gretchen: either approximate mine or brian. >> kind of warm and can have they. >> you were going to say small. >> brian: as he said. he has a bigger butt than me. you have something serious though to talk about. not only your great career but something happened in late october that people are forkneting about. >> everybody talked about su
predict technical going over of the fiscal cliff. i think the democrats benefit from putting a bill to the floor that's basically -- that will be the obama tax cut. they're going to have to vote against it. the first vote of this new congress, they're going to have to vote against a middle class tax cut. no win for these guys if they don't pass it in the next week. they can't word it between now and then. crafting a bill actually takes some time and some process. >> stephanie: yep. megan in akron ohio. hi welcome. >> caller: hi. i just have a question for you. about the viability of a challenge to this in michigan. what can they do? >> stephanie: megan, i was doing that story earlier that the unions are saying -- this fight is not over. there may be a way you know, to be able to -- i don't know the technical term for it. basically to be able to put it back -- >> negative ballot initiative. some other options. >> stephanie: if they get enough signatures -- >> the history is not on their side. every time they tr
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